[Openroad-users] OpenROAD 2006 : New Workbench GUI Rant.

[Fred Stelter]

Hi

I occassionally dialed into weekly the beta status calls for OR2006.  Jim 
Batten mentioned that intellisense would be added to a future release 
possibly one due out in August of this year.   Their was some mention that 
the next release may be open sourced.

They were very open to suggestions for improving the editor portion of the new 
ide.  I came away from the calls with the impression that they are heading in 
the right direction.  My guess is that they chose to concentrate on the 
workbench because it may have been the obvious place to start.  This assumes 
that the component and script editors will be integrated into the workbench 
ide to provide a look and feel more similar to the Netbeans IDE or Visual 
Studio 2005.



On Wednesday 14 March 2007 11:12, Adrian Williamson wrote:
> Hi Kim
> 
> Yes a new editor would have been nice, one with Intellisense that works for
> our own classes would have been even bettor.
> 
> Don't worry about the negative bit, Ingres has to know what the mature
> community thinks.
> 
> Imagine someone using the new Workbench who hasn't worked with OpenROAD
> before, it might put them off.
> 
> Not good.
> 
> Maybe Ingres could pay some third party to do a Intuition / Style audit on
> the three different workbench styles that have appeared over the years, and
> cherry pick the best bits.
> 
> Call me old fashioned, but I thought the orginal Sapphire Editor with
> cataolgue views was the most intuative to use, but it was the first I
> learn't.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Adrian
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com
> [mailto:openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com] On Behalf Of Kim Ginnerup
> Sent: 14 March 2007 15:39
> To: International OpenROAD Users
> Subject: Re: [Openroad-users] OpenROAD 2006 : New Workbench GUI Rant.
> 
> I have used the new workbench for some time now.
> At first I found it very difficult and I still get lost sometimes to find
> what I want.
> I'm not sure if the problems are because I'm used to the old one, or it
> simply is because the new one is not intuitive enough.
> The old one is not intuitive but with time you learn.
> I think there are a lot of good things in the new workbench, but I also
> think it has a long way to go before it works as you would expect.
> 1. I am beginning to use right click a lot, and gets frustrated when the
> options I expect to see is missing.
> I miss import and New(Create)
> 2. I do not like the one top toolbar fits everything.
> I like self contained portlets with its own functions.
> 3. I do not like the "everything can be done from here style" IDE's, like
> Eclipse and Visual Studio and partly the new workbench. I guess most
> projects that reach a certain size needs lots of commandline stuff to
> automate build, packages, patches, ...
> 4. I do not like for example that I have to open, change, save & close
> application properties. I have just clicked on that tab that should be
> enough. So select the tab do the changes leave the tab. I think the Open for
> edit, edit, save or save&close is unnecessary. I like modeless frames Not
> like this where you switch between edit and view. This is to much like old
> VI style editing.
> 5 A global toolbar is for global stuff. So why do I have a connect to
> database button, when it only works in the connect tab.
> 
> There are a lot of small nitty gritty details that should be looked at.
> And this mail my come out a bit to the negative side. That is not my
> intention. I think the new workbench is a step in the right direction, but
> it is not there yet. 
> 
> Actually I would have liked to see a new Editor instead of a new workbench.
> 
> Kim
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com
> [mailto:openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com] På vegne af
> gareth.2.edwards at bt.com
> Sendt: 14. marts 2007 15:39
> Til: openroad-users at peerlessit.com
> Emne: Re: [Openroad-users] OpenROAD 2006 : New Workbench GUI Rant.
> 
> I had a few problems with it too, so stuck with the classic view for now.
> 
> It's on the back-burner, of, when I get time I'll have a quick play.
> (along with plenty of other things, mClient, app server etc etc etc...) 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Gareth Edwards
> 
> BT Global Services
> tel: +44 (0)131 345 4671
> email: gareth.2.edwards at bt.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com
> [mailto:openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
> Williamson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:45 PM
> To: 'International OpenROAD Users'
> Subject: [Openroad-users] OpenROAD 2006 : New Workbench GUI Rant.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Are any of you using the new Workbench?
> 
> Or have you stuck with the classic view?
> 
> I've had a quick go this morning, and it's not floating my boat.
> 
> To start with:
> 
> Not really sure when I've connected to a new application database. 
> Cannot resize the development window.
> Cannot get rid of the Component details subwindow.
> Cannot set qep / printqry from the DBsession in the Query monitor facility
> to make output appear in the trace window.
>     E_US09C4 Syntax error on line 1.  Last symbol read was: 'set printqry'.
>         (Wed Mar 14 12:28:21 2007)
> Cannot find the break on next control.
> 
> 
> If anyone else has found some obvious annoyances and or solutions then
> please post.
> 
> If I get the debugger going then perhaps I can have a rant about the fact I
> can't copy and paste variable names / content from the Watcher frame in the
> debugger. (That's the case in classic mode anyway)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Adrian
> 
> 
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