[Openroad-users] OpenROAD 2006 : New Ingres 2006 Workbench GUI Rant.

[Colin Hay]

Does anyone actually USE the standard OpenROAD editor ?!? 

Re. Beta testing of OR2006 - there seems to be no approved way of doing this bar raising calls on the Ingres website - don't get me started on all the duplicate speedkey and ALT key defintions in the new workbench  :-)

P.S. 

If anyone wants an OpenROAD syntax file for use with TextPad or EditPlus then just ask.

Regards,

Colin Hay

-----Original Message-----
From: openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com [mailto:openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Williamson
Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 3:12 AM
To: 'International OpenROAD Users'
Subject: Re: [Openroad-users] OpenROAD 2006 : New Workbench GUI Rant.

Hi Kim

Yes a new editor would have been nice, one with Intellisense that works for our own classes would have been even bettor.

Don't worry about the negative bit, Ingres has to know what the mature community thinks.

Imagine someone using the new Workbench who hasn't worked with OpenROAD before, it might put them off.

Not good.

Maybe Ingres could pay some third party to do a Intuition / Style audit on the three different workbench styles that have appeared over the years, and cherry pick the best bits.

Call me old fashioned, but I thought the orginal Sapphire Editor with cataolgue views was the most intuative to use, but it was the first I learn't.

Regards,

Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com
[mailto:openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com] On Behalf Of Kim Ginnerup
Sent: 14 March 2007 15:39
To: International OpenROAD Users
Subject: Re: [Openroad-users] OpenROAD 2006 : New Workbench GUI Rant.

I have used the new workbench for some time now.
At first I found it very difficult and I still get lost sometimes to find what I want.
I'm not sure if the problems are because I'm used to the old one, or it simply is because the new one is not intuitive enough.
The old one is not intuitive but with time you learn.
I think there are a lot of good things in the new workbench, but I also think it has a long way to go before it works as you would expect.
1. I am beginning to use right click a lot, and gets frustrated when the options I expect to see is missing.
I miss import and New(Create)
2. I do not like the one top toolbar fits everything.
I like self contained portlets with its own functions.
3. I do not like the "everything can be done from here style" IDE's, like Eclipse and Visual Studio and partly the new workbench. I guess most projects that reach a certain size needs lots of commandline stuff to automate build, packages, patches, ...
4. I do not like for example that I have to open, change, save & close application properties. I have just clicked on that tab that should be enough. So select the tab do the changes leave the tab. I think the Open for edit, edit, save or save&close is unnecessary. I like modeless frames Not like this where you switch between edit and view. This is to much like old VI style editing.
5 A global toolbar is for global stuff. So why do I have a connect to database button, when it only works in the connect tab.

There are a lot of small nitty gritty details that should be looked at.
And this mail my come out a bit to the negative side. That is not my intention. I think the new workbench is a step in the right direction, but it is not there yet. 

Actually I would have liked to see a new Editor instead of a new workbench.

Kim

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[mailto:openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com] På vegne af gareth.2.edwards at bt.com
Sendt: 14. marts 2007 15:39
Til: openroad-users at peerlessit.com
Emne: Re: [Openroad-users] OpenROAD 2006 : New Workbench GUI Rant.

I had a few problems with it too, so stuck with the classic view for now.

It's on the back-burner, of, when I get time I'll have a quick play.
(along with plenty of other things, mClient, app server etc etc etc...) 


Cheers,
Gareth Edwards

BT Global Services
tel: +44 (0)131 345 4671
email: gareth.2.edwards at bt.com

-----Original Message-----
From: openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com
[mailto:openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Williamson
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:45 PM
To: 'International OpenROAD Users'
Subject: [Openroad-users] OpenROAD 2006 : New Workbench GUI Rant.

Hi,

Are any of you using the new Workbench?

Or have you stuck with the classic view?

I've had a quick go this morning, and it's not floating my boat.

To start with:

Not really sure when I've connected to a new application database. 
Cannot resize the development window.
Cannot get rid of the Component details subwindow.
Cannot set qep / printqry from the DBsession in the Query monitor facility to make output appear in the trace window.
    E_US09C4 Syntax error on line 1.  Last symbol read was: 'set printqry'.
        (Wed Mar 14 12:28:21 2007)
Cannot find the break on next control.


If anyone else has found some obvious annoyances and or solutions then please post.

If I get the debugger going then perhaps I can have a rant about the fact I can't copy and paste variable names / content from the Watcher frame in the debugger. (That's the case in classic mode anyway)

Regards,

Adrian


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