[Openroad-users] external Editor, continuation on Ians mail

Fri Mar 16 11:26:51 EST 2007

Hi Simon,

I use Editplus and I think it's a great editor, but my point there was why
should I go out and get an external editor. And remember if you're new to OR
and don't know much about editors, what do you do, waste time looking for
one that you like, or go to .Net and start working????
Just pointing out a shortfall, I believe the editor OR comes with should do
it all ... and can we have it by next Friday????

Regards,
Martin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Lovell [mailto:simonl at unwired.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, 16 March 2007 11:21
To: 'InternationalOpenROADUsers'; MartinPomej
Subject: Re: [Openroad-users] external Editor, continuation on Ians mail

Hi Martin,
I agree with most of your comments here, however, syntax highlighting is
available at present with the correct editor.  You can also use EditPlus
which I prefer over TextPad.  From memory TextPad didn't have autocomplete,
but EditPlus does.  Can't remember any other significant differences.  You
still lack Intellisense, but it doesn't seem as important with the correct
autocompletes.

I really can't sympathise with Ingres Corp's refusal to release the 4GL
source code to workbnch.img, or whatever it is called in OR 2006.  They
could do it without releasing the source to w4gldev.exe & w4glrun.exe so it
would be zero risk to their revenue, the main risk is not doing it and
people stopping using OpenROAD.  It would also free up the development team
to concentrate on other enhancements.  Sorry, but there's just no excuse.

End of rant.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Martin Pomej" [martin.pomej at myworkplace.com.au]
Date: 16/03/2007 10:51 AM
To: "'International OpenROAD Users'" <openroad-users at peerlessit.com>
Subject: Re: [Openroad-users] external Editor, continuation on Ians mail

Hello All,

I think we could all use the OR editor, hey we could use a pen and paper and
scan the code in, but that is not the point. The basic point of an IDE is to
aid in the writing of code and the development of an application, else why
even have one. Intellisense is great, especially for external objects, and
for people that haven't been working with OR for the last 30 years. ie me.
Also syntax highlighting helps divide the code and getting the syntax
correct. These two things are great aids and for what appears to be most of
us, things we'd like to have and use. I don't think that syntax highlighting
is much to ask, I remember in 1994 using a Borland C IDE running under
DOS!!! and it had syntax highlighting .......

At the end of the day Ingres Corp is a business. Money has to come in else
the company door closes. If a software company wants to increase revenue
then one of the ways this can be done is to increase the number of people
using their software. If you want OR to grow and get picked up by more
developers then you have to make it easy to use so that any hack (like me)
can start it and within 10 minutes be writing code, otherwise new
development is always going to go to another language, and not necessarily
because it's a better one, but because it's easier to use.
Near every developer has used or is using visual studio, it's probably the
most used IDE on the windows platform, so unfortunately that has set the
bench mark. Therefore most people will, as a lot of people on this forum
have done, and compare OR workbench with visual studio.

Let me open up another can, online help. Money would be well spent here in
my opinion. Don't get me wrong PDF files are great, but I don't think their
intention was really to be an online help system. How good is MSDN, hit F1
when you're in visual studio and if you've highlighted a keyword a search is
automatically done for you. Also a search can be done by topic and not by
string comparison. Not to mention you also have the ability to search the
web for help and I also like the fact that you get a sample on how to use
virtually every statement.

People in this forum continue to have a go at visual studio, but with it's
IDE and online help, it is a far better product than the OR Workbench with
PDF's. Now I not having a go at the language, as we had that discussion last
year 8-).

Anyway that's my 2c.
Regards,
Martin.

From: openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com
[mailto:openroad-users-bounces at peerlessit.com] On Behalf Of Frank Barratt
Sent: Friday, 16 March 2007 09:23
To: International OpenROAD Users
Subject: Re: [Openroad-users] external Editor, continuation on Ians mail

Hi,

Am I still the only one who uses the OpenROAD editor? I find it quicker and
like the fact that I can instantly compile the code without saving it first,
I find without Intellisense and highlighted syntax it concentrates the mind
to code it right first time.

Frank,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jean-Pierre Zuate 
To: International OpenROAD Users 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Openroad-users] external Editor, continuation on Ians mail

Hello,

Not sure my reply is appropriate ...

You can use Textpad :

Download and licence : http://www.textpad.com/ 
Download the syntax coloration here :
http://www.textpad.com/add-ons/synn2t.html (search for openroad in the page)

Create a document class named OpenROAD, with a file filter like : *.e?? 
Add those variables in your OpenROAD configuration (see
http://www.naiua.org/openroad/editortextpad.htm)
II_W4GL_SYSTEMEDITOR=TRUE 
II_WINDOWEDIT="C:\Program Files\textpad 4\TextPad.exe" -t"%t" "%f(%l)" 
II_WINDOWVIEW="C:\Program Files\textpad 4\TextPad.exe" -r -t"%t" "%f"
The use of an external editor can prevent you from bugs sometimes appear in
OpenROAD (in the past) : when code source was too big sometimes OpenROAD did
not integrate it. In this case it is sometime useful to have a copy of a
*.e?? file (if you see quicly enought you loose your code of course ...) 

HTH
-- 
Jean-Pierre Zuate
La Fage Conseil
 33(0)6 11 40 11 09
jpzuate at gmail.com
http://www.ingres-ua.fr/sponsors/la-fage-conseil/ 

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