[Openroad-users] David Tondreau will be giving a web cast...

[John Bateson]

Kim G states >So saying that OpenROAD cannot do webs-services or SOAP or that it lack XML is simply not true.

I have been a little puzzled by this thread. Although I have not been active in OpenROAD for 3.5 years now due to redundancy/early retirement, my last year of active involvement was mainly taken up with OR/AppServer/WebServices.
Our base environment was traditional fat client and a server, this evolved when we need to go to 24/7 for Health&Safety reasons into fat client and web plus replicator. The web bits were atrociously slow.
We had a directive from on high that all developments were to be browser based, and I had some difficulty with management because we need to preserve the existing customer base, not start all over again with something new.
Neil Warnock's efforts plus Sean Thrower's AppServer course persuaded me that not only was it possible to use existing OR scripts for web applications, but was desirable. Along with that came the Web Services issue. All this was back in late 2002/2003. And the AppServer applications were FAST and I mean that in comparison to the traditional approach, they were like greased lightning on a 5 table report!
I prepared a course on Web Services, Powerpoint/chat/exercises, for my small team during 2003 based on the OR paradigm, intending a migration rather than starting again on something entirely new, but this was forestalled by the early retirement.

So, chaps, I am surprised! By now I would have thought all this was old technology and would be part of your CV history. What happened?


All the best

John
John Bateson
Buckley
Flintshire
CH7 2QQ
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kim Ginnerup 
  To: International OpenROAD Users 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [Openroad-users] David Tondreau will be giving a web cast...


  Hi All

  Long thread.

   

  OpenROAD and XML is OK. There is stuff in there that could be better, but I guess that counts for all products.

  We parse XML documents using the OpenROAD server it is actually quite fast to do this. I think the biggest XML-doc. is 11mb.

  We have built one web-service that is driven by the OpenROAD server and its XML capabilities.

  We have built an OpenROAD SOAP eClient that used the currency converter example from Microsoft as a proof of concept.

  Fairly easy task and it can be generalized so the eClient doesn't know if it is a web-service or OpenROAD Server it is hitting.

  We have parsed xml documents from eClients not a hard job, actually the same job as in the OpenROAD server.

  It seems like people thinks that OpenROAD XML capabilities are an OpenROAD server only thing; it is not.

  We integrate to Java applications with automatically built Java proxies the hides the low level OpenROAD integration.

  We could do the same for c# but haven't had the need for it yet only proof of concept.

  We have an eClient that is used in combination with a JSP based system.

  We have http-based eClients that is running in a B2B solution (around 300 external clients).

  We have OpenROAD eClient running on a Citrix solution were we push eClient updates.

   

  Except where I write proof of concept, it is all in production today.

  So saying that OpenROAD cannot do webs-services or SOAP or that it lack XML is simply not true.

  Could it be done easier yes I think so, but when you have done that initial generalization coding then it is easy.

   

  I agree with David when he says that there is a shift in how people see downloading client sw.

  Microsoft smart-client is a good example.

  When I talk to people that is "web-schooled" they say they can do it all.

  I agree they can, but the cost and complexity is huge compared to an OpenROAD ditto.

   

  Do I not see any problems?

  Yes I do and if my session at UKIUA has been accepted I will be about OpenROAD REA and our experiences.

   

  Kim

   



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